Both derealization and depersonalization, carried far enough, lead to madness. Of the two, depersonalization is the more radical. It is the more radical in that, whereas derealization induces a depleted or erroneous picture of the world, depersonalization induces a confused or incoherent picture of the world. In point of fact the two processes are invariably complicitous.
Derealization and depersonalization are mirror-images of one another. They are mirror-images of one another in what they bring about, and the phantasies that are their vehicles are mirror-images of one another in their content. In derealization we deny a part of the world: in depersonalization we deny a part of ourselves. In denying a part of ourselves, we come to regard it as dependent upon our thoughts and feelings: that is how we come to phantasise it. In denying a part of ourselves, we come to regard it as independent of our thoughts and feelings: that is how we come to phantasize it. Derealization, in denial, of some part of ourselves, in effect denies us a life altogether of our own.
Both derealization and depersonalization, carried far enough, lead to madness. Of the two, depersonalization is the more radical. It is the more radical in that, whereas derealization induces a depleted or erroneous picture of the world, depersonalization induces a confused or incoherent picture of the world. In point of fact the two processes are invariably complicitous.
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Luke
5/9/2016 03:51:16 pm
Just a little update on where I'm at:
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Luke
5/9/2016 03:51:56 pm
Edit: can't beat intelligence with intelligence
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Fearless
9/6/2018 02:00:57 am
Hi Luke, well, situation is, we are in a WAY less dangerous situation than we want to make ourselves beleive we are in.
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Mmrrlla
5/18/2016 11:57:45 am
Hey bro, don't know if you remember me but I was an eager fan of yours and followed your posts and blog on DPselfhelp.com.
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Fearless DP
5/19/2016 03:16:47 am
I have bad news and good news. You are still here and time is ticking away. No joke, Act now.
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Rebecca
1/3/2022 01:10:49 am
Hi fearless, what are the steps you took daily to defeat the lingering symptoms? Did you do things that caused you some fear each day? I want to do it the fast and hard way as I’m sick of not feeling in my body anymore and I really want to feel normal again. What did you do on a daily basis after you decided to get well?
Pitts
6/11/2016 08:48:43 am
Fearless how do i come in contact with you...i do not have the normal DP symtoms but a total absense of feeling emotions( no feeling of thist,hunger or anything) and i would like for you to help me sort out whats wrong with me and if it is even DP...please help me out if you know something about this?
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Fearless
9/6/2018 02:02:54 am
If still actual, hit me up.
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Guest
6/12/2016 06:33:14 am
Sounds like you sustained a narcissistic injury and didn't have depersonalization. If you made a wrong assessment of your father being a psychopath and based your "recovery" off of learning about yourself in relation to his psychopathic behavior (which wasn't true). It's clear that your blog and recovery journal wasn't authentic. It takes people years to make a full recovery from complex trauma, depersonalization and the like requires a gut based understanding of their unique history and significant amount of emotional work that doesn't come from reading articles but application and understanding about the self. Sounds like you were telling others how you recovered, when in actuality you never recovered yourself. Ladies and gents your recovery is on a continuum that is unique to you and your own personal history. Everyone has their own unique background and recovery is different for each. Do not put any investment in "Fearless" and his blog. He clearly had a personal agenda.
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Guest
6/18/2016 08:53:15 pm
This whole situation is still boggling my mind. You mean to tell me, you experienced Depersonalization Disorder following a panic attack. Went on a lengthy process to find out your life story, unresolved aspects of yourself in relation to the environment that you grew up in and how it led you to the situation where you had an onset of depersonalization disorder based on the rupture in your self constancy of being a musician. Processed through old Trauma's to include the death of your younger brother, interpreted your dreams, came out the other side free from depersonalization disorder and took time and serious effort in creating a blog on a forum of individuals suffering from the initial confusion and effects of DP related symptoms. Which now you're claiming was actually false, just a game you were playing. How much time and energy did you put into this just to give a bunch of suffering people false hope? Like seriously this is some sadistic shit.
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Anonymous
6/18/2016 10:17:27 pm
I can't speak for him, but what happened to me in the latest parts of my recovery (when a very important relationship I was in ended) was I started reevaluating my life a lot, not just the symptoms. Through searching information about N abuse, I came across the concepts of narcissism that related to me, and it crushed me. I also felt that my "artistic" and "romantic" self constancy was very self centered and I had many "narcissistic" traits. I went through I long phase where I thought I was a strait up Narcissistic, felt very similar to the way this blog is now. I don't imagine he intentionally tried to hurt everyone. If he's in a bad place right now, people trying to over analyze it can cause more confusion for sufferers and himself. I think it's important for all of us to just always try to get closer to well being and form healthy relationships. I hope this is constructive!
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shahin
1/9/2017 03:06:39 pm
could you email me ?
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Mael Rozet
2/10/2017 11:19:30 am
Fearless, please don't ever stop this blog!! Btw i read on dpselfhelp that you had way more info. on there? Are you in the process of puttting everything that was there here?
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3/30/2017 08:42:08 am
Depersonalization and anxiety go hand in hand so great knowledge in this post. Having depersonalization for over 6 years I felt I lived in a bubble, and here is how I view the condition today: https://anxietyexit.com/depersonalization-and-anxiety/
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daisy
6/4/2018 04:27:40 pm
what you guys call 'disorder', is a goal for me. That is- I am continuously striving to distinguish reality from illusion by not entangling myself in concepts of any kind. Personalization is identification with something- primarily the body-mind, and attachment to this identification. This is a mental farce- everything reports to I without which nothing exists- check it for yourself. For example, has there ever been a war in... Burkina Faso if you never heard [and will never hear] about it?! You say you have the feeling that everything is false, including yourself- well, in fact see that everything is false because everything is a thought that comes and goes and nothing that comes and goes can be real; the only thing that is real is that which notices the transitory, and that is what you are without the need to give it a name/an identification. So you are right- you don't even exist the way you were thought, i.e. as a separate individual equipped with a mind and a body which you control.
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